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News Smart Talk Is PA's deer management plan working and why you should care
Tuesday, 22 November 2011 17:18

Is PA's deer management plan working and why you should care

Written by  Scott LaMar, Director of Radio Smart Talk

Radio Smart Talk for Wednesday, November 23:

For thousands of Pennsylvanians, there is no bigger issue in the state than the number of deer roaming Penns Woods.  For non-hunters or those who live outside areas where deer hunting is king, that may be hard to believe.

The former head of the Pennsylvania Game Commission's Deer Management Section once said that the deer population affected every man, woman, and child in the state.  That came at a time only a few years ago when the large deer herd was destroying forests, exacting large amounts of damage farmers' crops and resulting in some 40,000 vehicle-deer collisions a year.

A decade and many angry complaints later, there are some hunters who claim their favorite pasttime has been stolen away from them -- that the Game Commission's science has killed off too many deer.  They often cite numbers that show the number of hunting licenses sold is in decline and say part of the reason is hunters are frustrated and have given up.  Much of their evidence is anecdotal -- they don't see near as many deer in the woods as they used to.  The Game Commission says that true but that the deer population is more in line with what the habitat can sustain.

On Wednesday's Radio Smart Talk, the Executive Director of the Pennsylvania Game Commission, Carl Roe, will discuss deer management and a few other issues.

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# Doug 2011-11-23 10:08
I often hear a number of "conspiracy theories" about the game commission. Trading turkeys for coyotes and releasing mountain lions are the most common two stories I hear in regards for controlling the deer herd. Can your guest please comment on the legitimacy of these two claims? Lastly, what is the game commission's stance on mountain lions in PA, released or not? There are many witness sightings that I have heard as well.

I fully support the healthy management of the deer herd in PA where it is threatening the health of the state's forest ecosystems.
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# Doug 2011-11-23 10:14
Does the Game Commission work together with Wildlife Services of the USDA for deer management?
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# Doug 2011-11-23 10:16
How would you suggest a private land owner go about assessing if they have a healthy population of deer on their property?
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# Lisa 2011-11-23 10:30
Comment that the way hunters hunt is dead on! I would also add that the hunters I know who seem to be complaining are those who expect the deer to walk up to them without putting any effort into the hunt.

As to retaining hunters, it is very frustrating as land owners in northern Centre county that we are year after year unable to get doe tags because we are classed in with Potter and Tioga county. Any relief in sight?
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# Doug 2011-11-23 10:30
Let me re-phrase: what are some of the signs a land owner would look for that would suggest that there are too many deer using their property as part of their range.
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# Lisa 2011-11-23 10:47
I wish the game commission would stop restocking pheasant! They are not native to North America and we risk having them out-compete our native game birds like bob-white quail. I highly doubt that red-tail hawks are making any great impact on pheasants through predation as a pheasant usually weighs as much, if not more, than a red-tail hawk. Any impact is minimal.
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# richb 2011-11-23 11:09
If you live in a rural county, the gigantic dear herd in this state probably adds $30-50 a year to your auto insurance, more than a hunting license runs. The herd is caused by PGC practices, feeding supplements, and the slaughter of preditors. Heck, that Mt Gtretna area mountain biker is in effect paying more for game lands than an out of state or Philadelphia area hunter - but he isn't allowed to use the land, even with an additional payment.
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# Dave 2011-12-05 16:13
You cannot be serious about paying more for game lands than a hunter! All the land the game commission owns was paid for by hunter license fees!!!!!! Your right mountain bikers aren't allowed to use game lands, go and use the land the DCNR has control over. There are many trails to use. How would you be paying more than a hunter to use the land?????
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# richb 2011-12-05 16:42
As a former auto insurance underwriter, I can assure you that if you live a rural Pa county (e.g. Perry or Potter or about 50 others) the comprehensive portion of an automobile insurance policy for a moderately expensive new car is going to be include $30+ a year for animal collision. Most damaging animal collisions in the commonwealth are from deer. It would be much less in Philadelphia or Delaware co. So if the Delaware Co hunter pays $5 for animal collision and $21 for a license, it is less than my $30+. Of course I am far more likely to be paying the $50-250 deductible.

A previous guest on Smart Talk acknowledged a significant portion of game lands come from donations by conservation groups - overwhelmingly non-hunter groups.

Rich B….. CPCU
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# Lisa 2011-11-23 12:47
Mr. Roe's reply to the mountain biker who said he would be willing to pay a usage fee is not sitting well with me. His response was that the state game lands are for hunting and game preservation only. However, that it not entirely true as the game commission is more than willing to allow drilling, logging, and in the past mining, on their lands.

With hunting on the decline and the very funding of the game comission thus in jeopardy, wouldn't it be more reasonable to call our "gamelands" multi-use areas and charge user fees to other outdoors people like mountain bikers, horseback riders, geocachers, cross-country skiers, hikers and birders? The game comission should recognize that these outdoors enthusiasts are already using the game lands and most are more than willing to pay a fee to help preserve these open spaces.
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# PAHunter 2011-11-23 16:18
I am 50 years old, I buy a REGULAR license and then tags to hunt other animals. Some hunters pay a average of 150 dollars or more a year to hunt game lands WHICH WE HUNTERS have paid for ...for many years. WHY should we let horses and mountain bikers on BUY your own lands.

As far as the deer herd it is fine. The hunters shooting near tame deer on properties with elegant food plots are happy. It is the public land hunters who actually hunt and have a hard time finding a deer because they are on food plot private farms.

It is time the PGC limits what can be planted on these food plots, so the deer still need to move naturally. Lets quit letting hunters slaughter farm raised deer and get PA. deer and bear hunting back to fair chase. It is well overdo.
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# Dave 2011-12-05 16:18
Dear Lisa, Quot whinning!!!! Hunters fess have paid for every acre of game lands. If you want to ride horses, mountain bike, ski go to a state forrest. Next you will want to stop hunting on game lands because someone says it disturbs nature. GROW UP!!!
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# richb 2011-12-05 16:56
OK lets agree on this. Since Hunters make up way under 10% of Penna population let's restrict Hunting to no more than 10% of State Forest and State Parkland. Hunting is presently allowed on about 90% of Park Land and 99% of Forest Land.

If you think State Gamelands should be restricted to hunters then start paying taxes on them. Allowing non-hunters to use the land for hiking, birding etc is minimal compensation for tax free status - I am pretty sure private hunting reserves pay property taxes.

There are many state gamelands where the PGC officers will confiscate a bike at gunpoint, while allowing a hunter in a four wheeler or even a 4-wheel drive truck to use the same road. Many bicyclists will happily pay a fee to use gamelands on these roads, or reasonably approved trails.
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# Dave 2011-12-05 16:21
Oh by the way Lisa, hikers, birders, and geocachers can use the gamelands without paying a fee. Isn't that novel???
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# Dave 2011-12-05 17:10
state parks and state forrest are also gifted from not paying full taxes on the land they aquire!! Show me an instant where a game warden confiscated a bike by gun point!!! If you allow people access to the land, do you not think they would want to limit hunting while they were pursuing their hobby??? Come on Rich, this opens a whole new can of worms from nonhunters who would not want hunters in the woods while they persued their interests. It wouldn't be right. I'd say hunters are needed to help control deer populations in those areas, hunters also pay state taxes and should have full access to the state forrest. Hell Rich, I pay way to much in property taxes. Oh and by the way PA also allows drilling on state forrest ground.
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# Dave 2011-12-05 17:15
4 wheelers are not allowed access to game lands unless the operator has a disability permit, an dnot all game lands are open to this. Trucks and cars are allowed to travel roads marked open to travel. Some state forrest ground allows 4 wheeler access if you have a licensed 4 wheeler.
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# Ralphie 2012-01-14 16:00
The pa game commission is a joke, the deer plan is a flat out failure, and Pennsylvania management is pointed at and snickered at by every other deer management team in the country. Hunters are treated like crap by the agency, and deer are seen as vermin. Firings are BADLY needed. Too many environmental extremists making up problems that dont exist just to push their bizarre agendas. Its been uncovered and documented and proven.

http://www.acsl-pa.org/
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