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Tuesday, 03 May 2011 16:21

Dead man's party; Cancer prevention

Written by  Craig Cohen

Radio Smart Talk for Wednesday, May 4:


On social media, in the blogosphere, in the media, and maybe even at your own dinnertable, there's a lot of handwringing today over how we should have reacted to the news that the most wanted man in the world, Osama bin Laden, was dead.

What's not in question is how many Americans did react: crowds gathered outside the White House, and at Ground Zero in New York, to cheer the news from President Obama that "justice [had] been done." Baseball fans chanted "USA! USA!" at the Phillies game. While some comments on social media were thoughtful and reflective, many were glib (I read numerous variations on "Ding dong, the witch is dead.")

Then, the morning after, the debate began: Should we cheer? Is it morally justified to celebrate the murder of someone so undeniably evil? Are we sinking to his level? And are we being honest with ourselves about how we feel? Are our attitudes different publicly than they are privately?

You may find those questions easy to answer. Others may not. We'll explore the moral implications of the reaction to bin Laden's death on Wednesday's Radio Smart Talk, when we talk with criminal defense attorney Scott Foulkrod, who teaches philosophy among other courses at Harrisburg University.

Also, as part of witf's Facing Cancer Together, our interactive multi-media effort to connect the stories and lives of people touched by cancer, we'll discuss cancer prevention with Susan George, Director of Cancer Prevention and Control for the Pennsylvania Department of Health, and hematologist/oncologist Dr. Roy Williams.

 

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# robert colgan 2011-05-04 09:23
The celebratory joy experienced by the news of the murder of Osama Bin Laden by partying mobs across America.......?

Something is very wrong with America.
Militarism demands a swayed populace------without public support war efforts soon lose their allure.

I think we have a brainwashed citizenry here.
As for what Osama Bin Laden was...?
As much legendary as factual. His death without his disclosure of his real role in events prior to the Afghan/Iraq wars conveniently hides that truth.
We were lied to by our leaders on those wars:
were we also lied to about who and what OBL was, and did....?
I am suspicious of it all.
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# Jeremy 2011-05-04 09:23
This man has had some effect on the vast majority of our population. As we have been in a war with no real front line or identifiable battles the death of this man represents a decisive victory in the war against terror. The manner in which each American reacts to this is their own and to cast judgment is pretentious and presumptuous.
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# Deborah Mallek 2011-05-04 09:37
First, thank you for discussing this topic.
Since the event, I have been wondering why we consider it justified to celebrate the death of any human being, particularly since Bin Laden nor or any one person could not have been singularly responsible for the terrorism enacted here or around the world in the name of Al Qaida.
I am disheartened by our celebration of violence, which seems to be causing us to ignore the continued danger and the sadness that this is what our world has come to.
Our reaction seems to be a movement toward escalation, rather than wakeup call to make us think about how to de-escalate worldwide violence and terrorism.
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# Travis 2011-05-04 09:54
Are we celebrating the death of an individual or the removal of a symbol of an ideology of hate and destruction? I think it's more the latter for a majority of people. Keep in mind what Osama stood for.
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# Sarah Roley 2011-05-04 10:03
Jim Wallis expressed it best for me from the Christian perspective as he summed it up. . . 'relief, not joy' via Jim Wallis
How Should We Respond to the Death of Osama bin Laden? - Jim Wallis - God's Politics Blog
blog.sojo.net
This morning most Americans are feeling a sense of relief at the news that Osama bin Laden is dead. He was truly an apostle of hate, a dedicated purveyor of violence in response to every grievance, a manipulator and distorter of religion for political purposes, and a man responsible for the deaths of thousands of people. Nevertheless, it is never a Christian response to celebrate the death of any human being, even one so given over to the face of evil. Violence is always an indication of our failure to resolve our conflicts by peaceful means, and is always an occasion for deeper reflection.
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# robin 2011-05-04 10:09
These discussions reflect how we'd like the world to be, and frankly I believe we are progressing toward, that Civilized ideal, but we are not there yet.
In the mean time Barbarity exists and we must ask our representatives to practice it, as effectively and if possible, as rightously as practicable.
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# Sarah Roley 2011-05-04 10:10
Sarah Roley via Patrick F . . A voice of reason & goodness from Martin Luther King, Jr who said, "I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding ...deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that."
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# Text #1 2011-05-04 10:15
there is nothing wrong with being glad of his death but dancing in th streets makes us no better than the terorists.
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# Marian 2011-05-04 10:16
Regarding our having ended bin Laden’s ability to serve as inspiration for al Qaida by killing him, I don’t think that is going to be the case. He is now a martyr in his followers’ eyes, and martyrs can certainly serve to inspire even more violent acts.

Because I am a Christian, I believe that he, too, was a child of God. No death should be celebrated. I was deeply distressed by the immediate reactions.
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# robert colgan 2011-05-04 10:17
I really disagree with some of Atty Foulkrod's conclusions. . . . .especially his declaration that we HAD to go to war.

Please re-read that famous Hermann Goering quote until it sinks in:
"Naturally the common people don't want war......"


The caller who challenged what Scott said, and reminded him that it is a CHOICE to kill someone---
or in the case of war many someones--- was entirely correct.

We were NOT given that choice by our leaders.

America was carjacked by its leaders....and as occupants we were told to sit back and enjoy the scenery.

Looking at the Americans' jingoistic glee of the death of OBL reminds me of 1984 and the reception by the proles of the news that a new great war victory has been achieved, political theater.
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# Regina 2011-05-04 10:17
I said a prayer of thanksgiving that a cause of evil was removed from our midst. But my additional prayers have been that someone else doesn’t take up that banner of evil, and that our government won’t do something to escalate this situation to aggravate those in the Middle East.
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# text #2 2011-05-04 10:18
what is the difference between us celebrating bin laden's death and the palistinians celebrating 09/11? Someone said "one mans freedom fighter is another mans terriorist". "undeniably evil" is still a subjective term. We are myopic hippocrates.
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# Craig 2011-05-04 10:19
Some of us do not celebrate the death but celebrate the fact that at least he can do no more harm.
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# Gary 2011-05-04 10:19
I did not celebrate but I want to point out that we don’t have to separate people into two groups, those who celebrate bin Laden’s death and those who don’t.
People can have two or more reactions, celebration and then reflection.
I think most people who celebrated will begin to reflect as days go by
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# Bonnie 2011-05-04 10:37
I find it interesting that some of the same people who are critizing the celebrations of the killing/death of UBL support the use of torture (or EIT as they like to make it sound less horrible)!
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# Katie 2011-05-04 11:25
When we watched video of crowds celebrating the World Trade Center bombing in the Middle East in 2001, we were horrified and disgusted. Why should they feel any differently about American crowds celebrating Bin Laden's death? I accept the killing as a realistic necessity, but I see no reason to celebrate it.
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# Scott Foulkrod 2011-05-04 12:11
I agree with some of the responses above. I also think a comprehensive/mult-tiered approach to dealing with this extremist threat is best, including global education of the next generation. I can't comment on the level of military intervention (war) needed, but don't agree with responses of appeasement over action - many still intend to kill American citizens, and if we have a chance to prevent that by certain extreme means we would otherwise denounce, why would we not? One who comes at us simply because we do not adhere to their intolerance vs. the next few thousand of American and other citizens whom they wish to murder ... this is where I my categorical moral reasoning tips in favor of consequentialis t moral reasoning. There is too much suffering at stake, too much already behind us. HOWEVER, I also think we take a risk in openly celebrating and mocking because those quick pictures send an imbalanced view of who we really are, and can needlessly inspire redicalism.
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# Scott Foulkrod 2011-05-04 12:17
A related topic of discussion, and perhaps even more controversial: It is apparently true that the same program that some call torture and President Obama denounced and dissolved, led to the identification of Bin Laden's courier that led to the mission to capture or kill him of which President Obama so proudly claimed ownership ... what about the moral implications of that? Would you torture to save the life of your friends and family? Or of another innocent stranger at the hands of a maniac, and does it make a difference whether you know them?
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# Scott Foulkrod 2011-05-04 12:24
... and if so, does it maake it more, or less, tenable that it is a sanctioned state action?
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# Ian 2011-05-04 12:50
I did not celebrate it, but used the occasion to reflect on all the lives have been lost since 9/11.

However I understand and respect others who celebrate. It's enourmously emotional and folks express those emotions in all sort of different ways.

On a side note, if you had people providing this feedback directly on your Facebook page, I feel you would get a far greater response and feedback. I almost didn't come here, because I thought "great, yet another website where I have to enter my info" My guess is that stops many people from commenting, whereas the ease Facebook provides is incredibly convenient.
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